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Increases for folks in this high risk pool. some with preexisting conditions could see their premiums increase by as much as $142,000. let's keep this graphic up because i want folks to look at some of the other groups that are considered preexisting and the possible effects according to them. how is the senate going to figure these numbers during the recess? >> i'm not in support of this bill or the process, but i think it's important to point out a few things. one, the center for american progress is a very liberal think tank that is a proponent of obamacare. so i think those numbers should ...

So giving $8 billion over five years and who knows what after this is obviously very small potatoes. in fairness, there's $130 billion in the plan now for things like this. >> right. >> so they're about $190 billion short. let's put it that way. >> more or less. just $190 billion. >> more or less. >> part of the issue here, these high-risk pools which essentially is what they're talking about, right? so the idea is you're not in the same risk pool with everyone else. you have diabetes. you have cancer. you have a pre-existing condition. you go into this separate pool. this is a model that's be...

He'll have a tough renomination fight. who knows what will happen. but i want to get back to that preexisting issue. what they did over the last 48 hours, republicans papered over that issue, use ing a band-aid,o use a medical metaphor. they said we're going to pass a bill that says $8 billion will be spent by the american taxpayer to help those who have to go into the high risk pool, those with serious health problems, because they're harder to insure. most people don't think the people will cover that. >> kevin mccarthy does? >> he says that. and based on recent history, there just isn't eno...

Leverage to bring prices down and then republicans could be for something positive that would get people insurance. without something positive, i think we're offering them, you know, obamacare with santa claus. we're offering half as much. we're going to be santa claus light. i don't know how that is a winning thing for the american people. >> neil: you're a doctor by training. some cushions are build in, but should they? a higher risk pool of potential patients. the coverage is not denied them, but they will pay potentially more. >> here's the interesting thing. if you work for general motors...

Premiums they isolated a high risk pool, separate pool, where you know that premiums and deductibles will go down and subsidized coverage for those people in the high risk pool. that's what we're going to do here. so look, ultimately pick your source. pick your think tank. i can provide numbers that show a 38% decrease for 95% of the population with the remaining 5% receiving federal subsidies and seeing no out-of-pocket increase. so we'll see what happens. but look, at the end of the day we will be held accountable and we're tied to this. the reason i opposed the original bill i did not think...