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Some people think see premiums go way up. the president is not saying that. >> jonathan gruber one thing stephen moore said. you could reduce premiums for everyone else, people with preexisting conditions. if your goal is to reduce premiums that's a way to do it. >> sure the term high risk pool invokes people splashing around having fun. if we called it a high risk internment camp that would not have the same kind of invocation. you can take the sick people out and not cover them and that will lower premiums for healthier people. that's not insurance. insurance confers you when you're sick. ta...

Obamacare's provision when it comes to those with preexisting conditions. is that true. >> if you're talking about recreating high risk pools at the state level, what is missing from that e equation, from it that discussion is massive amounts of suns dsubsidy that comes from the federal government to make those pools even vaguely affordable to end up in that. to take the example that was being discussed at the press conference, somebody could have a bill as high as 25,000 in insurance premiums you put them in a high risk pool who are is going to buy that cost down so a family could actually pa...

Premiums, stabilized the market, stabilize premiums. the bottom line is to give the states flexibility to get that premium down. >> if people would continue to get access, but not at the same price. >> the idea is they would create a high risk pool. the idea is to create a system where it gets the premium down for them as well. >> it could still charge them much more. >> you're right when i say the whole goal of this is to give the states the flexibility to get lower premiums. that's the goal all around. to make sure that the system we employ gets down. >> the president turns to benjamin netan...

That get the waiver, coupled with what else we have done in the bill on the high risk pool, i believe premiums will come down for middle class families. that is the test. make sure you provide the coverage for those tough health care needs for families. also allowing states to get the waiver so premiums and deductibles can couple dome dow. we can bring back a market to the health care. >> without compromising the coverage. >> i believe so. >> congress member, more details we get, the more we discuss. appreciate it. the bipartisan budget deal appears to have more wins for democrats than repub...

But would that be something that might be enough of a draw for kim jong-un to do it? maybe so. >> all right. let get back to health care. a subject you've been devoting a lot of your time to. you've seen the house bill. i assume you've seen this revised house bill. is there a hard guarantee for coverage for pre-existing conditions? >> so if you take that they will have a high risk pool and that in the high risk pool you would take care of those with pre-existing conditions, i suspect the advocates for the bill would say that is their guarantee. the president as he said might want something str...