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Ambition. we were close. this bill would have made what we call phase 2 much better. nevertheless, there's some things that the secretary of hhs can do to try to stabilize things. really we needed this bill to make it better. for instance, risk pools. we believe the smarter way to help people with pre-existing conditions get affordable coverage while bringing down the healthcare costs for everybody else is through a reinsurance risk or risk sharing pools which this bill supplied for the states. that won't happen now and therefore he won't be able to deploy that policy tool that we think is bet...

Risk pool. two-thirds or three quarters of americans get that. when my company, comcast, we all buy it. so it's a risk pool. >> and we can create risk pools in the states. if we allow states to manage in this manner -- that's going to necessarily broaden the pool and get at that lower cost of a risk pool. >> other than a mandate or tax credit, how do you incentivize people to join an insurance program? >> you keep things people like. people don't want to be denied for preexisting coverage and you give people choices, your last guest was talking about the essential health benefits coverage. a s...

Seema verna, they can say, you set up your own health care structure so wisconsin can have whatever plans wisconsin wants to have and republican tax credits, the hsas and risk pools, you can use that for those. so part two is deregulate and have a patient-centered states rights system. part three are bills that we can pass with reconciliation that make the situation even better but aren't necessary to fix the problem, but even better. that's what interstate shopping, association health plans, medical liability reform are all about. what the president is eager to do is to criss-cross this count...

That is how you restart a viable, individual free market in health care. it's not just a theory where ideas have been worked -- >> heather: it you've been listening to speaker ryan they're speaking before a group of conservative lawmakers. he's talking about insurance rates, age-adjusted tax credits, why he says those are good and state based risk pools. right now, we're talking about something else. >> leland: we move to tragedy in new york city. amateur video capturing the moment when an emergency medical technician was struck and killed by their own ambulance. there is ambulance, you can se...

There wasn't even a federal funding component with it. it will kickstart risk pools. what that means is, and the estate, individual market, you have extra coverage for people with a catastrophic illness. due to cancer, your costco outcome up, the restful kitson, you don't go broke if you get sick, but it also cap say exposure for insurance for everybody else. that dramatically lowers the price of insurance for everyone else and the individual market. it just to give you an illustration of this idea, 1% of the people in this individual market drive 23% of the cost of insurance. if you have at r...