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Expand medicaid, then that means fewer people won't go on medicaid. by the way medicaid is broken. medicaid doesn't work. more and more doctors don't even take medicaid in the first place. what goods is your coverage if you can't get a doctor? so the point we're making is let's give the states the ability to take this program over because they know better how to fix and help health care for people who are needy. i can tell you, in wisconsin, we could do a far better job of customizing and fixing medicaid if we get the ability to do so from the federal government. that's why we want to turn con...

>> you're not going to force them to take obamacare. >> still millions of people losing health care. >> which will get access to tax credits and they'll be able to buy what they want to buy. you're making it look like there is nothing replacing obamacare. that is just not the case, wolf. what we're suggesting is let's have state based federal financing. give straight coverage for people with catastrophic illnesses so they get good coverage and don't go poor if they get really sick. by covering those people in risk pools, everybody else who buys health insurance doesn't have to cover that. you ...

Antibiotic, opioid coverage is huge addiction coverage. >> that's important too. the problem now the way it is under obamacare, we are not sweden. we have many desperate people in the population. 5% of the people in america have 50% of the healthcare. that's hugely disproportionate. that's why you just saw paul ryan talk about risk pools. people that have a lot of disease very sick and using insurance a lot should be in a separate area where the government subsidizes them. >> heather: let's listen to what he has to say. top of the hour when we had speaker ryan speaking. >> remember we said we ...

That means those people would choose not to take a benefit they could otherwise choose to take, but they've chosen not to take it. so, the point we believe is instead of having a government one size fits all mandate system currently in a death spiral which is what obamacare is, repeal that and replace it with more competition and more choice, lower costs, lowers prices and gives everybody better access to a more affordable coverage. you combine the federal -- you combine our bill which has tax credits, risk pools, health savings accounts, that dramatically expands people's access to affordable...

Insurance but don't get it, they will just find the new health care system you create so compelling that they will join it? >> yeah, they're not going to buy insurance that's so expensive that it doesn't make sense to have it. right now what's happening is healthy young people are saying, this is way too expensive. the deductible is three times what it is in job-based plans. premiums are going up double digits. i'm not going to buy it, i'll get it when i'm sick. that's why it's in a death spiral. if you give everybody the ability to buy a basic plan of their own choosing because we're going to...