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Obviously healthcare is one of his signature policies. but i remember in july2009 he ss going to do with immigration reform. i suppose now he doesn't have a lot of friends capitol hill democratic party now that he has saddled them with this debacle. >> that's right. many components of his coalition looking for him to get done on issues like immigration and gay rights important to young people. and now healthcare is what we are all talking about. we know young people are major constituency for this law because the administration is relying on them to enroll in new insurance exchanges in order t...

In 2014 to getting more people benefits, that will be a positive step forward for the president, number one, number two, i think as charles is pointing his finger at. even if the benefits kick, in the math has to work. and i think they are more worried about that are the unhealthy people going to get in these risk pools and actually pay it's unclear. >> charles' main point was everybody is going to pay more except the people being subsidized and that's going to become quite clear. you are not going out to hawaii. who are we send for that boone dog gel. >> doug mckelway and wendell goler. two p...

People benefits, that will be a positive step forward for the president, number one, number two, i think as charles is pointing his finger at. even if the benefits kick, in the math has to work. and i think they are more worried about that are the unhealthy people going to get in these risk pools and actually pay it's unclear. >> charles' main point was everybody is going to pay more except the people being subsidized and that's going to become quite clear. you are not going out to hawaii. who are we send for that boone dog gel. >> doug mckelway and wendell goler. two people. >> mckelway and g...

>> also the risk pools assumed there would be healthy people in it. they have taken all the people on this catastrophic people out of the risk pools again, hurting the risk pool for the insurance company which we may say who cares about the insurance company, but it undermine it is law. it increases the prices for everybody now this the banl system. >> the insurers are exasperated, going nuts because of that. if people exit the regular obamacare pool into a catastrophic pool, sicker people will be in the obamacare pool meaning premiums will be expensive. they haven't priced them that way. they...

Anecdotes which will be bad coverage for the law and for the administration. but the real issue becomes whether the law is going to work, whether you're going to have enough people to sign up to make the law cost effective. >> okay. so for insurers here, benjy, they don't like this change. it opens up an exemption in the law. one originally just for people under 30, as you know, and now people who had their policies cancelled and think the obamacare plan is too expensive, they can be exempt and go for catastrophic plans as one of their options. is this creating, do you think here, a two-class ...