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Small businesses if you had a chance to look at that. >> oh, absolutely. >> greta: and any, you know, tell me. >> i travel all over my state. i'm from south dakota but small businesses tell me every single day that they cannot face the uncertainty that this bill creates. not knowing how much the healthcare costs will rise and exactly what the penalties might be. they say the only certainty will be to pay the penalty for each individual employee up front and then drop the healthcare plan. the president obviously wasn't telling the truth when told everyone during the campaign to get the bill pas...

Small businesses if you had a chance to look at that. >> oh, absolutely. >> greta: and any, you know, tell me. >> i travel all over my state. i'm from south dakota but small businesses tell me every single day that they cannot face the uncertainty that this bill creates. not knowing how much the healthcare costs will rise and exactly what the penalties might be. they say the only certainty will be to pay the penalty for each individual employee up front and then drop the healthcare plan. the president obviously wasn't telling the truth when told everyone during the campaign to get the bill pas...

That with? >> well, let me say first of all, i think it will be pretty interesting if former constitutional law professor, president obama's obama's signature law gets kicked out because it's unconstitutional, but i think there's a good chance that will happen. the fact of the matter is that the law is very unpopular, unlike most entitlements it has continued to stay unpopular after it was enacted. i think there's -- that's very revealing. the american people know there's a lot in here that's bad. but that doesn't mean everything is bad. but look, let me give you a perfect example. you mention...

That with? >> well, let me state, first of all, i think it will be interesting if former constitutional law professor president obama's signature law gets kicked out because it is unconstitutional. but i think there is a very good chance that that will happen. the fact of the matter is that the law is very unpopular. unlike most entitlements, it has continued to stay unpopular after it was enacted. i think that is very revealing. the american people know there is a lot in there that is bad but that doesn't mean everything is bad but look, let me give you a perfect example. you mentioned preexi...

That with? >> well, let me state, first of all, i think it will be interesting if former constitutional law professor president obama's signature law gets kicked out because it is unconstitutional. but i think there is a very good chance that that will happen. the fact of the matter is that the law is very unpopular. unlike most entitlements, it has continued to stay unpopular after it was enacted. i think that is very revealing. the american people know there is a lot in there that is bad but that doesn't mean everything is bad but look, let me give you a perfect example. you mentioned preexi...