They're protected by unions. i i think we have to do something so a new administration can come in and fire those who don't get onboard for the new agenda. >> welsh sean, as you know well, of course, you make the fundamental distinction between private sector unions, and we know these groups in wisconsin, you work with them, you know, the carpenters, the pipe fitters, the road builders, the operating engineers, blue collar, hard working guys who invest an enormous -- sean: good people. >> right. and they should be angry, by the way, about biden magically forgiving up to $30 billion in student ...