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They say, why not give it a shot, do we really know what the rules of politics are anymore? it's folks who look around and see this media atmosphere right now, just this incredible media cultural interest in politics, and they might figure, hey, even if i'm not going to win, this is a chance to be in the conversation, this is a chance to get my name out there. there's all sorts of opportunities with social media to get attention you couldn't get before, maybe. there's a lot of incentives that are out there to create -- whether it's for buttigieg in south bend or dozens of other potential democ...

Obviously, but, you know, it just gets to a point where one thing after another after another, you know -- >> it adds it adds it adds. >> where you think there's smoke you think there's fire. the lawyer that met with trump junior claims she was independent. she was doing it on her own. nobody believes that. she even -- we even have a picture of her sitting in the audience at a foreign affairs committee meeting that we held. so she was there at the behest of the russians. she has close ties to putin and the kremlin. >> and wikileaks, the trump campaign not denying it and no one in leadership sa...

Now it's on the front page of their news side. i think that was the plan all along. my point on this being, if someone from the "new york times" had worked with the new york -- i was reporter -- left and wrote an op ed that ran in the daily call that are said, "new york times" editorial staff is all left wing biased, the "new york times" would totally blow it off, which is basically what goldman did to this guy. >> wait a second. >> it's banker bashing. >> wait a second. >> they were the evil doers of the world and it's not obama's fault. >> this guy is a south african. he got a scholarship an...

They put it out sunday night. now it's on the front page of their news side. i think that was the plan all along. my point on this being, if someone from the "new york times" had worked with the new york -- i was reporter -- left and wrote an op ed that ran in the daily call that are said, "new york times" editorial staff is all left wing biased, the "new york times" would totally blow it off, which is basically what goldman did to this guy. >> wait a second. >> it's banker bashing. >> wait a second. >> they were the evil doers of the world and it's not obama's fault. >> this guy is a south af...