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Son-in-law, i'm joined by jill wine-banks, an msnbc legal analyst and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. david, one thing that's remarkable here is when you zook out to the context here, jared is part of a broader problem in the white house. there's 30 trump aides who lost their top secret clearance. it's very clear the entire process was a train wreck. the rob porter case was a canary in the coal mine. done mcgan didn't have permanent clearance for ten months. i want to play you the way candidate trump talked about the handling of classified info during the campaign. tak...

Defensible t and sarah did something smart she answered a question she wasn't asked. she wasn't asked who was responsible for the shooting but she answered that the shooting is nonetheless the responsibility lf only the single deranged individual. and john carl of abc pressed her on that. and ultimately she tried to explain what the president said. but you'll notice there has been a slight change intact particular of the way that the white house communications officer respond to things the president says. they'll say he was saying this. they do not talk in we terms anymore. i think that's pret...

Context is hard, it's an opaque process, it's happening behind closed doors. the reason i asked that, in the rob porter case now we know that this very extended period of interim clearance which was weird and bizarre, as well was almost certainly because things had been flagged that had people worried. that's what we know about porter. >> and keep in mind, too, chris, you're asking all the right questions. keep in mind that this is a particularly bizarre scenario. you have al ongoing investigation, criminal and counter intelligence investigation of many senior people in the trump white house b...

Whether that can be is your mounted or not, we'll see. >> yeah. and thank you for staying to the heart and definitive of proven packets while i speculate. just to be clear because the context is hard, it's an opaque process, it's happening behind closed doors. the reason i asked that, in the rob porter case now we know that this very extended period of interim clearance which was weird and bizarre, as well was almost certainly because things had been flagged that had people worried. that's what we know about porter. >> and keep in mind, too, chris, you're asking all the right questions. keep i...

Security clearance? he does not have a full security clearance. we stumbled upon this with the rob porter case, with the domestic violence allegations. so he has an interim security clearance. so, how long can he handle classified information? >> well, the interim -- you know, the utility of the interim clearance expires after a while. allegedly john kelly in the wake of porter is saying, look, we have to roadway assee-assess th. if you're still working at the white house a area later and don't have a security clearance, we have a problem. the fact that he's looking at cubn kushner isn't going...