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Back now to the breaking news on our top story. we are getting new details about how security measures on that doomed germanwings flight may have backfired. french officials accusing the g the captain out of the cockpit and deliberately crashing the plane into a mountain killing 149 innocents. could it happen here? let's bring back our panel now, rob mark john than gilliam and kathleen banks. what about that? we have different rules about what happens when the captain leaves the cockpit, robert? >> we certainly do. we always put somebody in the cockpit, flight attendant, just to kind of keep a...

Back now to the breaking news on our top story. we are getting new details about how security measures on that doomed germanwings flight may have backfired. french officials accusing the co-pilot of locking the captain out of the cockpit and deliberately crashing the plane into a mountain killing 149 innocents. could it happen here? let's bring back our panel now, rob mark john than gilliam and kathleen banks. what about that? we have different rules about what happens when the captain leaves the cockpit, robert? >> we certainly do. we always put somebody in the cockpit, flight attendant, just...

Happened to him psychologically. >> right. >> megyn if i could -- oh go ahead. >> go ahead, kathleen. >> if it's true that that break that he took had something to do with depression that's going to be very very interesting. because you know suicide is not just depression. it's really rage turned inward. what he did was a very spiteful act of rage if this turns out to be true that he perpetrated this tragedy. so that's going to be very very interesting to find out if there's any records on that. any notes that could be accessible to the court. >> go ahead, robert. >> well, i was going to say t...

Is, if it was deliberate, why not take the plane straight in? why program an eight-minute fatal descent? megyn. >> trace, thank you. so how is it that authorities can seemingly rule out terror so soon? let's bring in our panel. robert mark is publisher of jet wine.com and former pilot. and kathleen bangs is a former commercial airline pilot and former airline training instructor. thank you all for being here. jonathan, let me start with you as an investigator on your thoughts on how they can say so quickly that this was not terror? >> well, i don't think they can. i think it's important, megyn...

Certain -- in a certain way that plane will fly itself directly into the ground. the fact that that happened just telling us and also the fact that he overrode the door lock mechanism tells us he had an intention. >> and what do you make of the door situation, robert, on this? because those doors are reinforced after 9/11. is there any way, i mean, as the passengers understood although it was the last minute that this jet was going down and must have seen their pilot banging on the cockpit door trying to get in as alarms were going off was there any way they could have rushed it pushed it in? ...