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Is, if it was deliberate, why not take the plane straight in? why program an eight-minute fatal descent? megyn. >> trace, thank you. so how is it that authorities can seemingly rule out terror so soon? let's bring in our panel. robert mark is publisher of jet wine.com and former pilot. and kathleen bangs is a former commercial airline pilot and former airline training instructor. thank you all for being here. jonathan, let me start with you as an investigator on your thoughts on how they can say so quickly that this was not terror? >> well, i don't think they can. i think it's important, megyn...

Certain -- in a certain way that plane will fly itself directly into the ground. the fact that that happened just telling us and also the fact that he overrode the door lock mechanism tells us he had an intention. >> and what do you make of the door situation, robert, on this? because those doors are reinforced after 9/11. is there any way, i mean, as the passengers understood although it was the last minute that this jet was going down and must have seen their pilot banging on the cockpit door trying to get in as alarms were going off was there any way they could have rushed it pushed it in? ...

Is, if it was deliberate, why not take the plane straight in? why program an eight-minute fatal descent? megyn. >> trace, thank you. so how is it that authorities can seemingly rule out terror so soon? let's bring in our panel. robert mark is publisher of jet wine.com and former pilot. and kathleen bangs is a former commercial airline pilot and former airline training instructor. thank you all for being here. jonathan, let me start with you as an investigator on your thoughts on how they can say so quickly that this was not terror? >> well, i don't think they can. i think it's important, megyn...

Back on the screen for our viewers. if you put that switch in the down mode that means you're locked out. based on everybody we talked to over the past several hours there is no way to override that, is that true? >> that's correct. again, we talked about why it was in, put in place after 9/11. no one wanted to see someone intentionally get into the cockpit and it was meant to department bad guys out. it has done a really good job of that. unfortunately sometimes when you fix one problem you create another. what we've seen here is that it also kept the good guys out. bill: robert mark, thank y...

Investigation as well so all these details are very important. all that is making the process here very slow. finding that tiny data recorder in the rock and rubble of the hillside that's been freshly broken apart is very challenging. >> certainly is. i want to dig deeper now. joining us our aviation analyst, former ntsb managing director peter goalz, our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, our safety analyst david soucie former faa safety inspector and accident investigator. robert mark is also joining us a commercial pilot, and via skype, aviation analyst miles o'brien o'brien. you have a t...