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Germany earlier today. that's one thread. the next thread the current threat stream against western aviation. there have been years now of threats against western aviation most of them non-specific most of them pretty general. but that is a constant worry. so again, u.s. intelligence law enforcement going back through that thread to see if there is any information that they can derive from that. again, looking at the recorders, still right now no nexus to terrorism but this remains an active investigation. >> it certainly does. barbara, thank you. joining us now, our cnn aviation analyst, form...

Investigation as well so all these details are very important. all that is making the process here very slow. finding that tiny data recorder in the rock and rubble of the hillside that's been freshly broken apart is very challenging. >> certainly is. i want to dig deeper now. joining us our aviation analyst, former ntsb managing director peter goalz, our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, our safety analyst david soucie former faa safety inspector and accident investigator. robert mark is also joining us a commercial pilot, and via skype, aviation analyst miles o'brien o'brien. you have a t...

Director paul goals. tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. also joining us our aviation analyst miles o'brien. peter, you dealt with a lot of the family members in an investigation after a plane crash like this. it's really important to keep them informed about what's going on right? >> it really is, wolf. lufthansa i think has done an outstanding job so far. they really have seemed to have the -- following the playbook to the letter. i thought the press conference this afternoon from the two ceos was particularly effective. i think they are doing a good job. but family members have such...

Case. there's three or four ways they would have communicated that through systems that exist. >> if ground control is repeatedly calling in to the cockpit what's going on distress what's going on we're not hearing from you, if the pilot and co-pilot are alive or whatever they would, of course have to respond right away. they wouldn't be delaying a response. >> no. you can make the response in a number of two or three seconds without any difficulty. as was mentioned earlier, a captain did over the hudson. he responded back to air traffic control repeatedly in the highest stress situation you c...

Other just underneath the tail of the aircraft. >> brian, thanks very much. once again, we are joined by our aviation analyst peter goalz, former national transportation safety board managing director. the pictures of the debris tell us a lot. they are stunning aren't they? >> they are stunning and they are just terribly depressing when you see that. >> show us some of them. >> here's one that's been widely distributed. it's a shot of the fuselage. you can see along here where the composite material has been ripped from the mainframe. you see the windows, openings that are there. what it does ...