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However, we also know there is some deseptember on his legal team about that strategy. we -- fame usely overheard at lunch at blt steak, that thai cob, president's personal lawyer, saying he is impressing this, and white house counsel is urging a more cautious approach when it comes to document production. clearing donald trump to go testify before the special counsel would be the ultimate in that forthcoming approach and i know that there is still resistance on the white house legal team to green lighting that type of approach. and particularly when you're promising the president as they cont...

Implications of all of this to the mueller investigation. some are suggesting mueller could tackle the issue because of campaign finance. it could be a leverage the russians use to blackmail the president if in fact they know about it. so many angles to it. could this also be used by the mueller investigation to squeeze michael cohen or put the squeeze on him for other information pertaining to russia? >> yeah. potentially. we have seen the various committees investigating this. i believe the actuary has spoken to mueller but i'm not sure about that. there are campaign finance laws that prohib...

Best for the country, not based on shady business dealings, something you owe somebody else. the money matters here because it gives a rationale or a justification for collusion for lack of a better word which could lead to other crimes. the money laundering itself and the other financial machinations can be crimes in and of themselves. i think this is squarely within rod rosenstein's mandate. >> it says anything he uncovers. wide mandate. tell me about the united arab emirates talker. who is the new stool pigeon? >> this is a remarkable story from the "new york times" how this adviser to the ...

Robert mueller. he made it clear he's ooh going to treat as a red line, you go after my business affairs, you're just fishing. all business guys would hate that, i suppose. he says if you do that, i'm going to get rid of you. he's going after the uae and everything with regard to his lawyer who does all his business stuff. mueller is not stopping at the narrow definition of what his investigation started with. >> the financial aspect is important because that is ultimately the biggest form of leverage that russia would have over the president if it indeed exists. >> what had they have? >> they...

With the process leading up to the announcement that we he would run for president. is that reveltry of anything? >> it could be. but that doesn't seem to be what the special counsel is interested in from that subpoena, that sam nunn berke released -- mueller was looking for correspondent looking in november of 2015. and the fall of 2015, after nunberg had already, his relationship with the campaign as far as we know had been severed. he was in contact with people in the trump orbit, steve bannon, others with close contacts with the president. and others and had their own -- who had activities...