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Guys probably know well like lt steak and off the record and we just couldn't really close -- we couldn't get it confirmed that it was trump. and more recently, specter's biographer, who ghost wrote his book, charles robins, said he believed that it was trump, and then don talked to shannon specter, who confirmed that it was indeed trump and that his father had told him he was acting as a messenger on behalf of kraft so that's kind of how it all came together. >> well, and what's so amazing about it, seth, is that you see donald trump as the guy who trained michael cohen who was his own fixer,...

Had on the show this hour, he overheard two of the president's lawyer, ty cobb and john dowd discussing their russia strategy really loudly in public at blt steak, which is a restaurant that is situated right next to "the new york times" d.c. bureau. they were talking about what they're doing in the case and their strategy about it out loud at an outdoor table without noticing who was sitting next to them, let alone that it was a very famous political reporter for "new york times," which you might have expected if you planned to have lunch at a restaurant right next to "the new york times". oo...

In september, "the new york times" published a big story titled this way, "trump lawyers clash over how much to cooperate with russia inquiry." it contained a whole bunch of juicy details. but ultimately, the reason that story is remembered is how "the times" got that story. the way "the times" got that was by accident, because a "times" reporter, ken vogel, who we just had on the show earlier this hour, we overheard two of the preside president's lawyers, ty cobb and john dowd, discussing their russia strategy really loudly in public at blt steak, which is a restaurant that is situated right ...

However, we also know there is some deseptember on his legal team about that strategy. we -- fame usely overheard at lunch at blt steak, that thai cob, president's personal lawyer, saying he is impressing this, and white house counsel is urging a more cautious approach when it comes to document production. clearing donald trump to go testify before the special counsel would be the ultimate in that forthcoming approach and i know that there is still resistance on the white house legal team to green lighting that type of approach. and particularly when you're promising the president as they cont...

Counsel. he thinks that if sessions hadn't recused himself, he wouldn't be in all this trouble because he wouldn't have mueller breathing down his neck. as far as the other take away that i thought was interesting, i think this question of executive privilege, which we heard jeff sessions sort of point to without actually invoking several times. this is going to be key in the sort of tactics of the trump white house's defense, whether and when they seek to invoke executive privilege in answering questions from mueller. we know thanks to a conversation that i overheard at blt steak, that there ...