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Up. he was a demagogue. he was take america's natural fears and fanning them. all right, who in our political universe today is taking natural fears that americans might have about isis b terrorists, and fanning them for political gain i don't think it's robert mutualer. >> not robert mueller. >> no. >> thank you for taking us on a history lesson, all of us. tim. thank you so much. >> thank you. the first lady delivering a speech today against tiber bullying as her husband spends his morning calling people rats, tweeting insults. does one message work despite the other? and former presiden...

And contributing editor for bustle. evan, rudy? >> rudy said they are not playing defense anymore. they are playing offense. >> they are playing big fat liar. >> that's right. but they are having success. you are watching -- >> i don't care about that. they are having success misleading people who are crawling in the sand toward a mir an. people are eating the sand. rudy giuliani is debasing an institution he was once a part of it. the effect is they are impugning the credibility of the men who are left to clean up. >> exactly right. but it does matter that they are having success. it matters ...

Gun, very clear wrongdoing. >> you set this up exactly the way i hoped you would. we didn't clued here in that. >> you are welcome. >> the setup is just that, which is is it possible mueller, who is being such a boy scout here, is going to in hindsight have made a mistake by essentially playing by the rules because trump is using mueller's integrity to basically handcuff him? >> i'm not surprised by any of this. donald trump fromming has viewed all law as fungible and as politically movable. >> he learned that from roy kohn. >> i was told by somebody three weeks ago we are going to end up pros...

Going to tell robert mutualer the truth. if he doesn't, i want to remind people that president clinton's impeachment came out of the fact that there was a grand jury subpoena about which a question wassed is about monica lewinsky. >> in many ways we are in very unfamiliar territory. dan as a line prosecutor here never would have given questions to a defendant in advance and as a defense attorney i have never received a list of questions. i have picked up the phone and had an informal conversation with a u.s. attorney or assistant u.s. attorney about what to expect if my client were to sit down...

This. and the democrats are saying none of these things were fully investigated. for example, about those back channel contacts. the democrats say russian intelligence used intermediaries and cut outs to probe, establish contact and possibly glean invaluable information from the trump campaign. it depends really how you look at it and both the senate and robert mutualer with continuing to pursue these questions. >> like everything. kennedy lany thank you for joining us. joining me democratic congressman adam schiff who represents california. the ranking member of the house intelligence commi...