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In the next five weeks making his own case on ukraine and corruption. we heard echoes of it in senator cruz's interview with you. the gop is embracing the idea of ukrainian interference, despite testimony by u.s. officials. >> testimony that senator ted cruz illicited this week for what it's worth. >> you nailed it, chuck. they're equating op-ed articles and political opinions with interference. >> rudy giuliani is basically flouting the entire process, thumbing his nose, dangling the possibility that he might be releasing more information, and in text messages i said are you in fact going to ...

President obama issued on the national security issue with the border. >> katie: so not a national emergency. >> robert: national emergency was done for 9/11. those were true national emergencies. >> harris: other things, too. >> robert: but they were not done -- >> katie: we just want to disturb us the difference between a national emergency -- >> harris: south sudan, doesn't say what it was yet. for burgundy. there are some things that even outside of our country. this one is right on the edge of our country, kennedy. >> kennedy: you know what i like? that it's a procedural discussion. as ro...

That pathway to citizenship and word amnesty that comes up a lot. as we look at deal points for the bill, the bipartisan bill and what we know so far, permanent legal status. pathway to citizenship. increase in high skilled voter visas. the guest worker program. as robert points out, is the biggest concern perception being reality about the pathway to citizenship not being amnesty? >> well, the thing that's going to happen here is that we are finally going to be able to separate between those trying to get to a solution and those who want to keep status quo. among those who want to get to a so...