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Many instances by congressional races here much the way it was in 2010. so pushing forward to the 113th congress which convenes january 3rd, the new future of the gop may not be too far away and in fact, 25 republican representatives will not return and only have a week of work left. joining us in the war room, karen fin me and we also have robert trainam, msnbc contributor with senator rick santorum. was this like watching a train wreck in slow motion? a lot of people saying why? why did boehner do this? >> yes. but i think the reason why boehner decided to do this is because he thought he ha...

One is to keep the pressure coming from outside the beltway and the second is to make sure that this is not a negotiation between the president and boehner, that they want the president essentially floating above this. >> robert, when we talk and i know you had a chance to hear what congresswoman black will to say about trying to find the right balance here, while a majority of americans, say they go completely support raising taxes on wealthier americans, there is also a majority support that says we don't want to see earned benefits messed with, we don't want to see the medicare eligibility ...

The average person is going to buy it or not. >> jarod, to robert's point, it's good -- maybe good politics but a lack of subsubstantive policies. >> china has a very long record. by the way, i'm pretty sympathetic because they are an emerging, growing economy with a lot of people to employ. but they are the ones who by manipulating their currency values to make their exports cheaper and our imports to them more expensive, they are engaging in protectionism. unless you're willing to go after that pretty straight on pretty head on i think you're just blowing smoke here. now, on this china curre...

Msnbc contributor and former chief economic adviser to vice president and robert trainam, an msnbc contributor, and former senior communications adviser for the bush/cheney campaign. can i ask you in all seriousness, does mr. romney's blind trust have excellent eyesight? it does seem strange his investments were withdrawn just before the primaries in his run for the white house? >> mitt romney was very right in that quote, you can tell your blind trust what to avoid. his blind trust had good eyes on that one. if you're an investor in a index fund pension fund or manage a p.e. shop like bain ch...

Promising to get tough on china, it feels a lot like that fox saying, you know we need more secure chicken coops. >> robert i don't want to labor the point but we also learned romney supporters are planning a big fund-raiser for him tomorrow in hong kong. does mr. romney have any credibility when he attacks the president on china? >> very little to be completely honest with you. mitt romney is a politician and he's looking at the polls. the polls in florida, michigan ohio, huge in pennsylvania huge manufacturing states china is a major issue because obviously that average white male out there ...