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Everything was bad about it. and i was alone in detroit. my wife hadn't moved there at the time. and i was living in a hotel. i would tape my show. i'd go back to the hotel, listen to the show and then i would sit in the room, i wouldn't leave it. i never socialized. i never went out to dinner. i would sit and wait for the next show. i was insane. i would wait and think about the next show. i only wanted to be successful on the radio. and not being successful in detroit tore me apart. i became distraught, really, because i put so much energy into it. and then i just sort of had an epiphany and...

I was desperate. i needed someone who was fantastic on the radio to work with me. someone who played with me, had a fabulous laugh, knew when to back off and let me roll and knew when to come in and save me. and that was robin. i never -- in fact, i met robin over the phone, i didn't even know she was black. our program director put us on and we started talking. it was effortless. that's robin. so this whole idea that, you know, robin, black woman, you know, someone said it's brilliant. then you can talk about black people. i go, i'm not that calculated. i needed a good problem and robin is it...

A of speech? >> by sublime irony really, you now have the most powerful man and woman in the world being barack obama and robin, who you created, of course. when you first took robin on, it was controversial, you made a big deal of this. it is a symbolic thing that the president now is barack obama, african-american. >> listen, it's almost ridiculous to say i took robin on, who happens to be a black woman. some people say was that calculated so you would have a black woman working with you? i was desperate. i needed someone who was fantastic on the radio to work with me. someone who played wit...

We didn't have a one rating at this one radio station. and the station was horrible. in a horrible location. everything was bad about it. and i was alone in detroit. my wife hadn't moved there at the time. and i was living in a hotel. i would tape my show. i'd go back to the hotel, listen to the show and then i would sit in the room, i wouldn't leave it. i never socialized. i never went out to dinner. i would sit and wait for the next show. i was insane. i would wait and think about the next show. i only wanted to be successful on the radio. and not being successful in detroit tore me apart. i...

I get this freedom of speech? >> by sublime irony really, you now have the most powerful man and woman in the world being barack obama and robin, who you created, of course. when you first took robin on, it was controversial, you made a big deal of this. it is a symbolic thing that the president now is barack obama, african-american. >> listen, it's almost ridiculous to say i took robin on, who happens to be a black woman. some people say was that calculated so you would have a black woman working with you? i was desperate. i needed someone who was fantastic on the radio to work with me. someo...