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I think of it more fundamentally. the fact we just don't understand the basic chain of events. why did this project get pushed forward? where do these things emerge? where does the governor's office stand in relation to those? those are more fundamental questions people have in mind. the congressman's earlier point about the public's trust in federal spending and how that money gets allocated. one thing that's stood out to me is why we even care about where this money went and the assumption you are going to be cynical about it. there is always going to be some political favors to be had. the ...

People in the state house understood this project? why did he hear about it? why is there buzz about this at all in the state house when there are a million other things going on that should be on people's minds. why is this getting filtered to the mayor of hoboken. the word on the street is that you don't back this project. how did that happen? >> what do you make of the way the administration has dealt with the questions that have been raised by dawn zimmer? we've had the one public statement from the lieutenant governor. the lieutenant governor is accused explicitly by dawn zimmer. we under...

Send it to new jersey and new york, you are not going to use it wisely. you are corrupt. you are going to waste the money. the last thing i need as i federal official is to have that verified. there is a we told you so. what happens in the future when we want to get money for natural disaster or anything? >> the reason we asked the administration, we wanted to ask them the simple question of, hey, did you support this project? that's a key part of this. there has been other reporting this week. "the wall street journal" had a story that looked at this rockefeller project in hoboken. you could ...

Development and obviously the big development project. it doesn't seem a stretch that if shefts in hoboken and talking development that this rockefeller project came up. and we know that the mayor was very much on the case of getting sandy money. so some of the basic ingredients. >> that is the issue here. guadagno went up and she went up to do her job. that's her economic portfolio. she has been the salesman for the administration for four years on this thing, right? so, okay, given. that she has to do as part of her job. the connection to the part is a little troubling because neither she is...

Thing and kim guadagno thought she was saying and hearing another thing. there are basic elements that could be resolved. maybe kim guadagno was, in her mind, an artful way trying to say, hey, we could help you out with sandy but you have to help us out on this and there's that quote that zimmer attributes to her like, you know, i'll deny it if you ever say this. i know this isn't right. but it almost sounds like there could be a context she was trying to be, in her mind, helpful. even if she's trying to be artful about it, if she is artfully link iing sandy fundin and the rockefeller project,...