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Again, i'm talking politically, right, democratically nonviolently through direct action and through the means of democratic politics, but the courts are not going to save you. like, this must be grasped back into the democratic pollty and pushed as an issue everywhere, michelle. >> well, you know, it's interesting because i think there was a lot of debate about whether this court was going to throw roe out, outright or whether they were just going to turn it into even more of a hallow shell. i'm not sure everybody believed that this quickly you would have an abortion ban without exception for...

For that pain as you say it's coming out of your own family experience telling people you're an immigrant and a country that is both fascinated by those stories but also often scared, scared of the black male story or what's happening in the inner city? how do you see like the way you're playing that roe out. >> i think my role has always been an empathetic role and i have empathy for others even if i don't personally experience what they experience. and i think that when you start to make a human connection, when you see people as numbers and sticks, you can forget that we're all human beings...

Or what's happening in the inner city? how do you see like the way you're playing that roe out. >> i think my role has always been an empathetic role and i have empathy for others even if i don't personally experience what they experience. and i think that when you start to make a human connection, when you see people as numbers and sticks, you can forget that we're all human beings. i think that's what happens with chicago oftentimes. and i've seen chicago be used as a media scapegoat for black male criminalization or criminality and look at chicago. remember when trump used to love to say th...