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Same way. in other words, it undercuts the idea this is some crazy rogue agent out to get trump or somebody that is paranoid and reads things into document. if he's right, that there's half a dozen to a dozen other people that read this transcript, so-called transcript of record and saw it as an implied threat or a bribe, that is certainly strengthens the case. remember, impeachment doesn't mean the guy is guilty. you vote for impeachment just like a grand jury votes for an indictment. if you have reason to believe the crime has been committed. if there's enough evidence to go to a trial. and ...

It includes references to other developments tied to the president including efforts by giuliani to insert himself into relations. does he have any business getting involved in u.s. ukrainian politics? >> not at all. that's highly problematic. you would think there would be senators, republicans and democrat, that would be voicing concern about that fact you have a rogue agent a personal attorney for a president circumventing the state department and conducting foreign policy. there's a big white shark swimming. his name is john bolton. >> it rhymes with don bolton. that's okay. >> i had to ma...

You would think there would be senators, republicans and democrat, that would be voicing concern about that fact you have a rogue agent a personal attorney for a president circumventing the state department and conducting foreign policy. there's a big white shark swimming. his name is john bolton. >> it rimes with don bolton. that's okay. >> i had to make it easy for people to catch on. >> i can't wait to hear from him and the ukrainian ambassador. who was asked to leave ukraine when things weren't going according to plan. there's all kind of questions that this raises that are possibly illega...

And foreign politics, rudy giuliani is pursuing investigations into political opponents of mr. trump, including whether there was anything improper when the overlap of former vice president's joseph r. biden's jr. efforts in ukraine and his son's role with a gas company there. unless somebody dismiss rudy as a rogue agent, there's this, mr. giuliani said he was acting on his own as a private citizen with the knowledge and assistance of the state department. that would be donald trump's state department. he would not say whether mr. trump approved or aware of the effort. joining us now with his...

Reportedly looking for some sort of scapegoat, someone to pin this on. there are a couple of names that have surfaced of people who the saudis would like to label as a rogue agent, someone who was acting beyond their authority and may instead of just going after critics and pressure them into being not quite as harsh as they have been against the saudi crown prince to actually going out and killing them. so this is a very bizarre story on political levels because the saudi crown prince has had this meteoric rise over the last year, and now his reputation maybe even his own political future are...