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Years consolidating his power. but the idea that someone else can replace mbs is wrong. what's going to happen is they are going to come up with a lie that this is some rogue element and we are going to accept the lie in some way, shape, or form. the price is going to be what's the price for accepting the lie there is going to be a sign from mbs knowing that he made a mistake, no he made his country a pariah, and he's going to make steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. we've seen political prisoners to take steps to show he learned his lesson. >> bret: that's not going to fly with a lo...

Relations with cutter. they may be trying to reconcile saudi arabia and cutter. and trying to do a deal by which they don't release some of the tapes if there is some agreement. but the turks need to give us what they have. and frankly it doesn't seem that the trump administration is pressing the turks very hard to give us that information given how little donald trump seems to know and how much news reporters know who are in touch with turkish sources. >> it also seems entirely plausible that the president of the united states and the saudi regime concludes there were some rogue elements, it ...

And frankly it doesn't seem that the trump administration is pressing the turks very hard to give us that information given how little donald trump seems to know and how much news reporters know who are in touch with turkish sources. >> it also seems entirely plausible that the president of the united states and the saudi regime concludes there were some rogue elements, it was an extradition gone wrong and the turks leak a tape of the guy being murdered, literally. >> again, the saudis have been on the record over and over denying that anything happened inside the consulate. >> right. >> telli...

Possible explanation of what happens despite the facts and the reality. so this idea of rogue killers have one that probably was bandied about. i don't believe for a moment the fact this took place in a mission in turkey and there were plane loads of saudis who went there. mbs, the crown prince, has a stranglehold over the saudi government's security and intelligence apparatus. i find it so farfetcheded that anything like this could happen without his intimate knowledge and approval beforehand. >> you're not suggesting -- former intelligence officials has said there's not much likelihood that ...

Policy matter. do you think? >> i think -- i mean, past is precedent certainly here, and i think that's a very strong argument. it seems that this has particularly hit a chord, and i think emotions are strong. whether that lasts in the next couple of weeks, and pending the results of the investigation if it sorts out to be credible. >> clearly, susan, the president wants to take the saudi denials at face value, whether from the king or the crown prince. >> right. so he is doing the saudi pr work for them, saying maybe it is this rogue element, whether that is something we should be accepting a...