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Together. he has a low i.q., et cetera. whatever he does. that strategy fraught with difficulty. you're going to see the strategic distancing from giuliani, of course. i think that's something you could credibly argue. right? giuliani is certainly, he has a mind of his own. former mayor of new york city. u.s. attorney. we knew the president will's say, certainly i gave giuliani some directives but he's a rogue guy. got other clients. is independent. i knew what i wanted. how he strategically got us there is what lawyers do. we deal with strategy all the time. clients no nothing about it. what ...

Sometimes he's just ripping in an interview back and forth and it's not as thought out. having said that, if he had other good lawyers around him, you might want to clean this up and be like, no, no, we still stand by no collusion. donald trump is the president. when he says no collusion, that is a bodier denial than i didn't personally collude. now you have the lawyer basically narrowing it. so to put it in very basic perry mason terms, the client ace's sg nobody was murdered. the lawyer's now saying well, if somebody was murdered, my client didn't do it. very different. we'll see whether the...

Getting tremendous numbers. >> he is a mormon. he spent a lot of time. is it any coincidence that the friend of the campaign goes after this guy in this way and this place? >> i would say no more coincidence that the fact "the new york times" has a few surprises about donald trump today. it is not a coincidence. >> matt, you say you calling me gay without cause the reporting of what people say about you? >> i'm talking about the lack of coincidence that all of a sudden these things pop up out of nowhere. coincidence with a week left. this hurts donald trump and helps evan mcmullin. you have a ...

Know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this zufan. >> rogue guy. he had difficulty black side. he had difficulty millennium plot in jordan. he had difficulty after he left us and he went to gahanna guantanamo with the military. >> is he a difficult guy. >...

Know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this zufan. >> rogue guy. he had difficulty black side. he had difficulty millennium plot in jordan. he had difficulty after he left us and he went to gahanna guantanamo with the military. >> is he a difficult guy. >...