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What does a rank-and-file staffer, agent trying to do a good job -- i honestly think, how did they feel in all of this, let alone what this does to the public's view of justice overall? >> that's one of the big tragedies in this. there are 35,000 men and women of the fbi that strapping on and go out there every day. they do the best job they can. they are highly motivated. they do not deserve what that comey inner circle has brought down on them because he has been abusing the fbi as a shield, say if you criticize me, you criticize the fbi. i hear from fbi agents current and former, i literall...

Conference. what does the rank and file fbi staff or agent do to try to go in and do a job? i honestly wonder what this does to the public's view of justice overall? >> that's one of the big tragedies of this, there are 35,000 men and women of the fa that strap it on and go out there and do the best job that they can. and they don't deserve what that inner circle has brought down on them because he has been sort of using the fbi as a shield, and literally hundreds of them. they all agreed that comey was a rogue operator and his inner circle where people had been promoted beyond their capabilit...

Rogue prosecutor, rogue operator, really salacious terrible ideas about bob mueller and, again, you know, this is what we've heard from donald trump over the last many months. we obviously know about what happened during the 2016 campaign, them targeting african-americans, trying to suppress the african-american vote, also the trump campaign doing the same thing. so the kind of -- you know, there is this idea of whether or not there was a collusion or conspiracy theory. there certainly was -- they were in synch certainly, the trump campaign and russia and now with this mueller probe they're ce...

Control after michael flynn was let go in february. and the story about flynn, remember, the trump administration settled on at the time was oh, flynn was some rogue operator. no one knew that he talked to the russian ambassador about sanctions. and then the gall of the guy, he lied to everyone, including the vice president about that call. the story was flynn was fired for those lies, and here is reince priebus in february calling flynn a liar. >> it was the fact that he wasn't straight or honest. and i just found it hard to believe that you would have a conversation with the russian ambassad...

Advisor to the republican candidate for president. which was a really big deal and when he comes back, he's in it starter slot for that top job. i think it was a relationship of mutual belief, loyalty that both of them felt to each other and the alliance of convenience. this was flynn's ticket back to the big time and a way to show all of his critics they were wrong. >> i don't think it was a match of ideological soul mates. trump could not find anybody else to advise them. and flynn could not find anybody to advise and they found each other. >> what's your -- weigh in on that. >> i think jere...