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At the george washington bridge was more or less a rogue operation taken on by appointees and staff members christie knew nothing about. the picture we're getting of bridget "time for some traffic problems" kelly indicates that she was not a rogue operator. it makes it seem rather unlikely she woke up one morning and decided on her own to go ahead and screw the people of ft. lee. the good news for chris christie is that if he was going to survive this mess, it is crucial that bridget kelly has to be a loyal soldier. that she can't roll over and start talking out of school about what she knows ...

The "new york times," part of the team that won't the pulitzer price for international reporting. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> when is the time frame? >> we believe the operations began sometime in 2008, but last summer of 2009 where mr. furlong and his group really acset rated that is operations. and then they were eventually shut down either late last year or early this year. >> this was happening within the defense department, but not known by the chain of command. it may have been known as a rogue operator? >> maybe, maybe not. that's what we're still trying to ...

Thousands of emails about clinton. it was a story told right here on "the beat" when i interviewed his campaign. she did say that he worked under orders, not as a rogue operator. >> he never did anything without the blessing of the campaign. so it was every time approved. >> with me now to break this down is attorney maya wiley, a former counselor to the city of new york, ned price who worked at the national security council, and editor of politico. i'm curious to go to everyone because i want to hear what everyone has to say, but because some of this is all about the feds as we call them joyc...

Today does is it sort of lets you know where the tentacles go. it is the connective tissue. it says, okay, flynn whom is our guy now, flynn says he was not a rogue operator. >> right. >> and he did this either with the knowledge of or at the direction of people who were going into this administration, and that sort of opens a window on to what mueller might know. but there's so much more that he knows that we don't know. >> there's a lot of signaling, is there not -- >> yes. >> -- when you look at the statement of offense as to what issues mueller is pressing on here. >> but it is not just rel...

You know where the tentacles go. it is the connective tissue. it says, okay, flynn whom is our guy now, flynn says he was not a rogue operator. >> right. >> and he did this either with the knowledge of or at the direction of people who were going into this administration, and that sort of opens a window on to what mueller might know. but there's so much more that he knows that we don't know. >> there's a lot of signaling, is there not -- >> yes. >> -- when you look at the statement of offense as to what issues mueller is pressing on here. >> but it is not just related to flynn, it is related t...