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That somebody has to answer. >> and were there conversations between the president and the attorney general about this. he oversees the fbi as well. so all roads lead to him. >> and i think mr. barr knows mr. rudy giuliani's cellphone number as well. so that also feels like a next too a bit. >> i think that it is something to probe. i think -- i get the sense that the attorney general is a lot more careful than giuliani. and so i would expect that there may have been conversations,but given what a loose cannon giuliani has been, somebody with a career like the attorney general's he i think wou...

Perspective. he's been promising to do for a while which barack obama never did, so come over to ukraine and figure this out. somebody needs to come over there and actually understand why it's important to fund the $140 million, that's the important part. >> carol, you've done a lot of reporting on this. 1 thing i think is interesting is the role giuliani has played and the state department in all of this. there's a little question in my mind and i wonder you can clarify what you know about the role the state department has been. giuliani basically said i wept over there because the state depa...

The white house operation. an official telling cnn this will burn out. this person calling giuliani's public representation of the president a charade. what do you make of the role giuliani is playing here and whether it is a distraction or president's voice breaking through? >> i have been fascinated. i think a lot of us have been by the media blitz immediately upon joining the trump legal team. i think it has been an interesting window into the inter workings going on in the white house and the strategy. you have to remember, trump doesn't have a communications director right now. this might...