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But, you know, i'm willing to engage in all kinds of press criticism. i'm willing to take responsibility for our role writ large in the political culture. i'm not willing to have this conversation with the leader of the free world who cannot own his own behavior and his own rhetoric, which has broken every norm that i've ever covered in politics over the past quarter, you know, 25 years. >> listen, phil, i want to ask you about something that david said earlier, and i was applauding when watching. this false equivalent about people who are exercising their first amendment right to protest. and...

Sides need to come together. i mean what did you think of this? >> i thought a couple of things. one, it's striking to me if you look at the totality of his comments that he seems to play against type all the time because part of his comments were what a president should say under those circumstances, to condemn acts of political violence, to make the point that we cannot demonize each other. we cannot make moral judgments of each other in this tribal political context. those are the things that were clearly prepared for him but that he wanted to say because there's a part of him that wants to...