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Damned document, but it's true. just say it like that. we paid for it, but it's true. instead of now saying, blah, blah, blah. did you hear in the paper today, the hillary clinton campaign won't even respond to questions. that makes them look really honest, doesn't it? go ahead. your thoughts. >> well, i would just say, that it would have been great to have them come forward with it. but it's not the basis on which the intelligence committee is looking into the issue of whether or not there was coordination by the trump campaign with the russians. it really is a separate and really not a very ...

But what keeps happening to them is a good day or a bad day, you know, it's the end of the day and something comes out. they are sort of unable to deal with, you know, deal with it hours later, they deal with it. they are very upset about this. they're outraged really that -- they're saying this isn't even a second meeting. so there is policy behind it. there is a problem with the meeting and us not knowing what's in the meeting but also a publicity problem for them. >> ten minutes is a dinner conversation. an hour is a separate meeting by most people's standards. ken, we have a new expression...

The language. which would make a great movie title, rolling disclosure. and here is what i mean. we now know speaking of the room where it happened there were eight people, at least thus far at the trump tower meeting. this is to anita earlier point a publicity problem so far. but the hill and mr. mueller can't be in love with rolling disclosure themselves. >> well, we see mueller in some ways reacting to the disclosure in realtime as we're finding out about it. and it's not -- let's be clear. it's not that the trump folks are revealing this information in drips and drabs. it's forced they are...

>> right. that's absolutely true. and we have several investigations going on right now. we have the u.s. attorney's investigation. we have a legislative investigation, and theoretically, the governor's office is doing an investigation too. the governor's office has said it will investigate, it will do an internal investigation of who in their office knew what, and how this ended up happening and how they can prevent it from happening again. >> do you see any reporting that has been done on the progress of the governor's investigation? you know, nixon hired -- i think he had john dean to inves...

Investigators. he told us nothing. >> he's got to know something, right? >> it's called rolling disclosure, and it kills your credibility. thank you, mark halperin. eugene robinson, thank you. when we return, we'll hear from a rare christie defender. i'm going ask michael grimm of north why he is taking christie at his word. this is "hardball," the place for politics. plan but with less energy, moodiness, and a low sex drive, i had to do something. i saw my doctor. a blood test showed it was low testosterone, not age. we talked about axiron the only underarm low t treatment that can restore t ...