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She said at a party late one night, i was the one that kicked this thing off, do you think he would have fired her? i don't believe that in a minute. the reason was she lied to him right before a press conference. her real sin was getting caught. >> well, exactly. she did get caught. now some of this might have eventually come out because of the question about the traffic study, right. at some point it was going to become clear that this wasn't a traffic study. >> it was clear. >> the newspapers weren't going to let it go. so people were still exercised about it. nonetheless, i think your poin...

It's called rolling disclosure. instead of getting ahead of that irs story, they've taken a bumbling and piecemeal approach explaining what they knew and when they knew it. let's look at the timeline. may 10th. not so long ago. irs official lois lerner reveals the agency had inappropriately scrutinized conservative groups. president obama says he learned about the issue from news reports on that very day. white house press secretary jay carney sidesteps questions about the administration's prior knowledge telling the press corps i learned about it today. may 13th. three days later. carney says...

>> i have a slightly different take. if i'm sitting in the pressroom like i used to do, what arose my trust in the white house is when i'm deceived, when i'm spun, when i don't get all the facts. that's the lack of credibility. i think it's hurting -- >> the rolling disclosure. >> rolling disclosure. the problem with the "ap," the signal they're sending to the press, the signal they're sending to good men and women who want to get information out that the public needs to know but their bosses don't want out. this is the message to the sorts saying, you know what, big brother is watching you. t...

Director, now acting director morell, and the dni director were all in on some conspiracy. >> no, no. >> -- they were doing their job, and yes, they got it wrong. their initial assessment was wrong. >> congressman, you're missing the point. i'm dealing with the news here as we get it. i don't like rolling disclosure. at some point he got the full story. why didn't he come forward -- why did he have to be dragged into that hearing room today and put before both committees to get the truth? why are we only getting the clarification today? why didn't he as cia director go to the president, the pu...

>> hold on a second, hold on a second here. when you say misled, that is a politicized term. there was nothing deliberate about this. unless you believe that general petraeus and the deputy director, now acting director morell, and the dni director were all in on some conspiracy. >> no, no. >> -- they were doing their job, and yes, they got it wrong. their initial assessment was wrong. >> congressman, you're missing the point. i'm dealing with the news here as we get it. i don't like rolling disclosure. at some point he got the full story. why didn't he come forward -- why did he have to be dr...