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Individuals before that have gone out and committed heinous crimes. oh, they were a normal person. they were nice to me. they waved to me. i think you hit on it, erin. that 6-month-old baby. how could they leave that 6-month-old baby and commit a crime like this? and whether it's -- it hasn't been totally pinned down yet whether they were radicalized by someone, whether this was workplace violence. but i can't see this being workplace violence when you have the tactics that they used, which we have seen used in other terrorist attacks around the world. to leave that 6-month-old child without a...

Difficult to determine her role because she lived overseas until recently. it could be that she was the catalyst for the end of game radicalization on his part. he was radicalized over the internet. obviously he was in contact with people over there. they could have been tracking his level of radicalization and insert her into his scenario towards the end game to be kind of a catalyst to set him in motion. >> and jim, let me ask you, though, in terms of her role, she obviously is crucial to this story in every way. she had a job in saudi arabia. she was a pharmacist. you know, having done repo...

Certainly on the score card and it's no doubt that he had some level of radicalization from these people and from visits to the other countries. >> bob, we know that farook himself travelled to saudi arabia, met his wife there. that was back in 2014, though. and we know he didn't return and immediately start, for example, doing anything obvious, like growing his beard. that happened later. there were no signs from anyone, from his neighbors, his co-workers, guy who sat next to him, people we've talked to on this show, of him being radicalized. do you think that that trip to saudi arabia was cr...

That homemade bomb lab, seeing if it will lead them to any clues as to why this happened, was it the radicalization that sparked this. what tells them about what sparked all of this tonight. >> poppy, thank you very much. bob bobby chiccone is back with me. when you look at the massive law enforcement and so fast, what sticks out to you? >> well, this is the new normal for us on the law enforcement side of it. we train with these people all the time at the state, local and federal levels. we train for these scenarios, both on the response aspects, the forensic aspects, the intelligence aspects...

Obviously intelligent. she had a job because she rose to the top of the workforce, the female workforce. but i agree with bobby, this could really be a case of romantic radicalization. he was actually targeted by the people who wanted to convert him or push him into radicalization and pushed this woman towards him so that she could push him over the edge and actually complete the job. >> so it's interesting -- >> it's also possible he went there with the specific intent to find a woman like that. >> right. so it could go either way. the crucial part about her role, they had a new baby, a 6-mon...