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Going down. he has to be at 50 to win in my opinion and, i think, doug, and this is the moment when an incumbent usually gets a bump in the undecided but i'm not sure that bump is in evidence. >>gregg: national policies are one thing but you have to win on the electoral map. now, the average real clear politics average in all the individual states and you can see the number of president obama 201 and romney 191 and you have to have 270 for win. the yellows are still in play, toss ups. congressman? >> well, what we don't know is this decline that doug and pat are talking about in the approval r...

I want to thank charles for that. i think it's a close race and i don't think that romney is a particularly exciting candidate, but people are disgusted with the fact that mr. obama promised so much and delivered nothing, nothing. >> julian, the political, the polls have been close, and tight ones and carter reagan comes to mind and then we know they broke loose for reagan, right, almost the day before the election. can you see a phenomena like that for either candidate? >> no, and i don't think the normal practice of the challenger getting the undecides is going to occur this time. i mean, lo...