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Everybody knows it all right? and i admire that he actually said it and explained why. most politicians would have just dodged that question but he didn't. what did you pick up? >> well, he avoided saying i don't like the guy. he just said i don't like people who change position romney's actions rather than romney's character so. >> he did say auto or 60 years old what kind of a person changes opinion on vital subjects? that's a little personal. >> well, of course. if you are going to say the guy changes his positions but i think he is trying to keep it as close to substantive attack meaning i...

Now, you and romney, that's an interesting dynamic there. we did body language on that and body language came back. these guys would be hitting each other if assault was legal. there is some strain there, is there not? >> i don't know whether there is strain. there is certainly a difference of opinion about philosophically where you stand slug it out. there you guys look like really don't like you too much. >> i don't know about that you can't -- >> bill: come on. what do you mean you don't know about that? >> like it or not, you can't be for banning guns and then all of a sudden you are for t...

Subprime crisis blew up is very slowly take the bandoff off. what romney is arguing is, look, government intervention in the housing sector got us into this mess is the first place, right in the community reinvestment act. all of this social engineering going on in the economy. right? so what what we have done is to try to minimize pain for homeowners who are under water who bought homes, whether it was because of the community reinvestment act or bankers going to them and not going to fannie or freddie. what we have done is slowly take the band-aid off rather than rip it off. romney is saying...

Heavy radical cut in taxes and you have got to have some idea in your head of how much it's going to cost. how you can argue it will simulate the economy. there will be some increase in revenue as a increase in that. you got to have a number. >> he said he would get back to me and i trust him that he will. >> on the day you rerelease a plan that's a major issue. cut spending of 18% of g.d.p. under obama it's 24%. that is the biggest cut in galactic history. >> bill: it is, absolutely. >> got to explain how you make up for it. >> or he is going to cut it to the bone and, you know, that's what h...

Today with a far more conservative republic party. yes. i think he was right to do it on that level and i think it's a perfectly proper and reasonable attack. romney will have to defend himself on that. >> bill: now, last question. the immigration, i think, hurt him. did he make up for it tonight? >> i think so. in a sense -- well, you can't make up for the gaffe of saying that people who are harder live than he is and as you said are hurting or see themselves as hurting as a result of illegal illegal immigration and the way they are getting the benefits that they have never earned, i think he...