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Has about that. he says the "bush mccain and romney approach was to be above the fray and expect americans to condemn progressive excess, when the attack of exasperating conservative voters was always something more like, if they don't want to do their job and fight back, why should we support them? what you said is that? >> i think there's a lot right about that. our political moment needed pate disruptor. president trump was the disruptor. but disrupt to what end? the left has argued that politics can solve all of our problems. only the right people have power, that can bring on heaven on ea...

Is to build up our defense and make us stronger. that's the best deterrent in war and proposed to build that rather than shrink the military. >> that is right. that is the difference between governor romney approach and the president. peace through strength. and the president said standing back is less provocative and invites less challenge. you saw in libya and in iran's pursuit of the nuclear weapon and assad willingness to shoot down rebels. romney took that on directly. >> steve: here is the response to rom romm's. president obama has shown he is tough and responsible and steady commander-...

From. the president skrooibs it well. you're going to pay the burden for a $5 trillion tax cut for the wealthy? that issue has been driving voters in this election and that was intensified. i think the president was clear about pinning romney down on medicare. as we come out on issues like pre-existing conditions, we'll make sure people understand and the president said this. romney says he's going to cut loopholes but he won't name them. romney said i'll replace obama care but he won't say with what. he said he'll appeal wall street reform and put regulations back in place but he won't share ...

Not paying attention so much? so if this is another ross perot typo moment in 1992, remember when he got out his chalk board and said the program is unsustainable, if the american people are ready for that, the romney approach might work. if the people are disengaged and listen to the sound bites, maybe not so much. >> steve: if it is -- i've heard some suggest that okay, the romney camp is going to continue to push the president on medicare this week right up to the convention, and then afterwards they're going to pitch rot and talk about the president's performance on jobs. that's a winner f...

But there's another really important point where the insurance companies benefit. when we reduce the payments to the private insurance companies in medicare, that reduces the cost to the overall program and saves seniors money. romney wants to put those overpayments back in. medicare beneficiaries have to share in the cost, through premiums and co-pays, so he's essentially saying seniors should pay higher premiums to restore the overpayments to private insurance companies and medicare. and no one has really talked about this issue. another immediate effect, about $300 on average, per year, if ...