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>> i guess the math question is, just as a statistical matter, are there more available democratic voters who stayed home last time or are there more of these romney/clinton potential voters? which is a bigger pot? >> i think that is a really difficult piece of math in part because it is hard to know exactly how many democratic votes were left on the table for hillary clinton in 2016. in my mind i think this may be a choice the democrats don't have to make in some sense. if you're talking about romney clinton voters you're talking about voters a majority of whom want to impeach the president i...

Republicans? i have never heard the republican party sitting around talking about how can we get these democrats over to our side? only democrats do that. i don't know that is a winning strategy. >> i guess the math question is, just as a statistical matter, are there more available democratic voters who stayed home last time or are there more of these romney/clinton potential voters? which is a bigger pot? >> i think that is a really difficult piece of math in part because it is hard to know exactly how many democratic votes were left on the table for hillary clinton in 2016. in my mind i thi...

There are the romney/clinton voters, people who voted for barack obama twice and then voted for donald trump. if he loses 1%, 2% of the vote in northern wisconsin, people disgusted by what they are seeing, that is going to flip the state. it's all about the electoral college and will all be decided by those states he won by very, very narrow margins. going back to this issue of the primary, you know, these candidates become vehicles. none of them are going to beat donald trump and none will be president. they are vehicles for protest votes. that is the kind of thing that i think does keep some...

Candidate in 2016. these are voters for whom their 2020 outcome is far from certain. romney/clinton voters as we've been tracking their views since 2016 looked pretty strongly democratic. they don't approve of the president. they don't have a favorable view of them. they tend to devote for a -- vote for a democratic house candidate in 2018. romney third party voters a little different. they are not necessarily fans of trump. they have an overall unfavorable view but did tend to vote more for republicans in 2018. right now if you ask them i think their views of the 2020 race, they're probably m...

Distant relative to support this president. it's a weird, incestuous fight in the party. but most people are falling right in line with this administration. >> okay. this is you in "vanity fair" what you wrote about potential -- per the mention of romney about romney/clinton voters. all in all back of the napkin math suggested around 5 million voters supported romney in 2012 but went on to back either clinton or conservative third party candidates in 2016. whether they stay home in 2020, vote democrat, vote their party or reluctantly vote for trump this time around the choices the center right...