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Borrows 36 cents on that dollar. by the time my three kids are around my age, at the top there, our debt is going to be 2.5 times the size of our economy. >> according to the former political director of the iowa republican party, ryan may have no choice, quote, i hate to say this, but if ryan wants to run for national office again, he'll probably have to wash the stench of romney off of him. kurt, the stench of romney. not exactly what you want to hear someone from your party say. >> romney has never before been accused of having anything like a stench. >> highly sanitized. >> the humanizing ...

Again, he'll probably have to wash the stench of romney off of him. the stench of romney. >> yeah. i mean, that -- those are harsh words. and i think a lot of republicans, tea party folks particularly, feel that way. feel like mitt romney has watered down the paul ryan that they have come to love and respect and think of him as very much the standard bearer of the future of the republican party. i think everyone is on the lookout to see ryan go his own way sort of the way that we've seen sarah palin do that. i think that's what everybody is waiting to see, if paul ryan is going to do that. i t...

Hard to back it up when you have no idea what direction they're heading. it's random. >> it's funny you said you have a fever, and fever is solved by paul ryan. what i rote down in preparation for this is not too little ryan. that sounds like too little cow bell. >> yes, i want more cow bell. >> cow bell is not the problem with this. kind of what you're talking about is you want more conservativism out of the ticket. i hear this from conservative friends that the next time when we do this again, we're going to get more right word and i highly, highly encourage that. one thing that he's going t...

So, you know, it's really backwards. it's really retrograde, and we've talked about it for a long time, but if they really want to pull paul ryan forward they have to go back to that war on contraception, war on abortion, war on women language because it's really true, they would take away major rights for women, and if they think that's a winning formula in 2012, let them try it. >> here is the recent political director in iowa, here is what he had to say, or she had to say about the republican party and how it's criticizing this guy, romney. i hate to say this but if ryan wants to run for na...

>> let me get the take on the importance of all this money spent and again the needle not moving. maybe that will change as people get closer to the election. maybe it will be the debates that help move the theelgd. b needle. but the end, enthusiasm with all the high tech we have, that ground game and the enthusiasm of the base, will that decide this election? >> it very well hey. and both sides have their own base problems. mitt romney was seen as not really conservative enough for many. and they spent a big part of their convention really activating those conservatives, moving them from vote...