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Have been absolutist on that. i heard joe biden say last night, look, we're willing to -- i heard him say, we're willing to consider these other ideas just like we cut a trillion dollars in spending last year, but it's time to come to the table. when your position is not one more penny. >> that's a separate issue altogether. we're talking about social security. and we're talking about the fiscal reality of what's going to happen not that many years down the road. so it seems to me the country does deserve an answer on that from both parties, for that matter, about why not, for the next generat...

>> because joe biden did what president obama should have done which was to look into the camera and look at me, i'm a democrat. all right? i've been in the senate for years. we're the democratic party. we believe in medicare. we believe in social insurance. do you trust me or do you trust this 40-something-kid who comes from the world of conservative think tanks scheming to get rid of the program since its beginning and inception? who do you trust? that was just the simple question. he said, look at the reputational capital that has been built up over time in those two parties over what we ar...

For joining us. i will just say it is not a sign of strength for the republican side to come out after the debate and say, listen, the unemployment number is rigged. i realize the republicans have decided that they don't want the unemployment rate to be below 8%, so they're going to say it secretly isn't. that's not a way you telegraph you think you won this debate. >> i was just going to say in politics there's no bad questions, only bad answers. there you had a clinic on a bunch of bad answers. if you are going to be pro life, a morally serious position, what paul ryan said, an answer to chr...

Position, then you should proudly articulate that position, not dance around it. >> right. can i also say, it's fascinating to me how the congresswoman responded to the question of abortion, which is an interaction i've been having with conservatives a lot. when i bring that up, i get accused of changing the topic, or why are you liberals so obsessed with abortion. it's a strange "through the looking glass" experience. we've been fighting the abortion wars in this country going back to the 1970s. the decision to uphold roe is a 5-4 decision. >> the thing that's missing from the whole discussio...

He doesn't understand any of it. i find it terrifying. >> i think that he absolutely blew it in terms of afghanistan. i think even when he said marines in benghazi, when marines are at embassies. and, i mean, he also bent the truth. he's not at the level of liar as romney. he's a fibber. growing to be a liar. romney's an accomplished liar. but i think that clearly mr. biden gave facts. there was nothing they could refute. and i think he was fiery and to the point. i think ryan held his right wing position. he did not do the chameleon thing that romney did. >> that's true. >> i think it will hu...