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Contempt, and obama's team did, and i think that was one of the big problems that they suffered heading into that debate in denver as they just didn't take all that seriously, and that was really the biggest threat that they faced was the president had not been in the game. this is a guy that -- he feels threatened. >> was that over confidence? was that arrogance? now -- >> john kerry was the president -- >> no, exactly. obama did not blame john kerry. they think this president had a hard time taking romney serious. he was a sort of gaff-prone rich guy that was not at his level. i think he won...