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And vice-presidential debate since the first four kennedy-nixon debates in 1960, thinking back over the last few minutes i don't believe i have ever seen a debate in which one participant was openly disrespectful of the other as biden was to paul ryan tonight. that's what it was. you can talk about the smirks, smiles, head shaking, the mugging, it was openly, contemptuous and disrespectful. jon: ben, chris wallace has been in washington a long time. as he said, covered a lot of these races. what is your response? >> you know, governor romney has spent the entire campaign saying that he would s...

>> kimberly: we are looking for a president not someone to win most courteous. forget politeness. do your home work and have answers and ideas about what to do to fix the country in every category. >> dana: safe to overcorrect. we saw women in particular after that debate go to romney side. you are a jerk to mitt romney and the next debate, not going to reflect well. >> bob: what he said was telling about the next time it is not going to be the same way. part of that is biden. biden will go through ryan -- he will use a buzz saw on him. >> greg: actual one? >> dana: on friday you will say the ...

One is everybody in there was twittering and -- >> now you're hanging out with bob twittering. >> no, no. tweet, whatever. the second thing to say is it wasn't so much the right, and there were people on the romney side trying to push it. it was the left. it was the left that went crazy on obama! they wanted a grudge match, a cage match. they wanted -- >> that's why even the obama campaign thinks they lost. >> yeah, that's the problem. >> when they come out tend with the spinners, it was all romney people. >> who knew that preparation with joy bearrest would have been a bad idea? spending all ...

Discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is a major campaign event of the entire cycle. maybe the major campaign event treated as a lesson in information or educat...

This tax plan that he fully can't explain. i mean this is such a dark mentality. how important is it for the president to draw distinction between the candidates? >> the problem for the president is he's debating a piece of jell-o. so every time he tries to close on it, it wobbles into a new shape. is it his position on abortion? position on pro-life? that makes him a very difficult debate opponent if you think it's about engagement and everything we have heard from the romney side is they think it's about engagement. that's what they want to do. i think the president will take a different tac...