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The real day-to-day life i think remains under wraps. >> robert, in terms of oddities about north korea, another one is this sort of uniformity of even haircuts, as only a few approved haircuts for the people of north korea. it is, as john was saying there, totalitarianism gone crackers, isn't it? >> it is an unusual place. if negotiating with north koreans, one is acutely aware that one is not dealing with canadians on anyone else that is in a normal range, as both of my colleagues said. all that makes the situation more dangerous. i think if there's one thing everybody's concerned about, it ...

Both sides, from what i've read. >> that's true. >> so like i said, i think there's a conversation to be had. an open and honest one, which seems like we don't have too many of those these days. >> very little compromise, isn't it. >> people get so up in arms and hell-bent one way or the other. it's like when i did the romney thing. so many people got their panties in a bunch. as a musician, a rock 'n' roll musician, you wa nt to find ways to piss people off. if i knew people got so -- i would have gotten into politics years ago. it makes people so upset. at the end of the day, it's like, come...

>> that's true. >> so like i said, i think there's a conversation to be had. an open and honest one, which seems like we don't have too many of those these days. >> very little compromise, isn't it. >> people get so up in arms and hell-bent one way or the other. it's like when i did the romney thing. so many people got their panties in a bunch. as a musician, a rock 'n' roll musician, you wa nt to find ways to piss people off. if i knew people got so -- i would have gotten into politics years ago. it makes people so upset. at the end of the day, it's like, come on, it's okay to have a differen...

Korean regime not just to abandon its nuclear program, but to close the gulags. there are no negotiations. they're already being provocative by speaking about reunification. secretary kerry spoke about that in seoul today. so it's not going to add to the temperature at all to talk about closing the gulags and everything else. this is an open-and-shut case as far as we're concerned. president roosevelt spoke about the human rights abuses of the axis powers. this is the kind of thing you do when you're speaking about a re re kals i trast enemy. >> thank you. >> thank you. kidd rock, completely...

South korea we have -- well, she's a new president. she's quite experienced, president pak. that's a good thing in a time of crisis. but what you're referring to here, the uniformity, the totalitarianism, all this creates an atmosphere in which, as much as we want to dismiss the bluster, wouldn't be a wise thing to do. >> victor cha, a lot of american comedians have had a lot of fun at kim jong-un's expense. and generally at north korea. but that probably doesn't help in a country where saving face and honor are extremely important to the leadership here. what should the american administratio...