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The nominee. because he's not going to beat him. and the only way you can stop governor romney is to vote for gingrich. and that's a fact. >> ron kerry, you're a santorum supporter, right? >> yes, i am. i'm a conservative, and i've looked at all the conservatives and the rick santorum is the full-spectrum conservative that i believe can beat barack obama. that was the deciding factor. i want somebody who's consistent in their conservative views. but it's not a matter of just being consistent, you have to be electable. that's where newt gingrich has a real problem. i think it's clear right now,...

Around rick santorum? >> i think it's possible. the reason -- the only reason i think it's possible is because i think he is still furious at mitt romney for the ads by that super pac against him in iowa. and so if santorum manages to pass him in south carolina, i think that's a real possibility, as hard as it is to believe. >> e.j. dionne of "the washington post" and santorum supporter ron kerry, thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> good to be with you. coming up, inside the obama white house with the author of a controversial new book entitled "the obamas." and on the holi...

Running fourth. people have got to decide. if you vote for senator santorum, in effect, you're voting for governor romney to be the nominee. because he's not going to beat him. and the only way you can stop governor romney is to vote for gingrich. and that's a fact. >> ron kerry, you're a santorum supporter, right? >> yes, i am. i'm a conservative, and i've looked at all the conservatives and the rick santorum is the full-spectrum conservative that i believe can beat barack obama. that was the deciding factor. i want somebody who's consistent in their conservative views. but it's not a matter ...

That's almost unheard of in the political spectrum, because conservatives say barack obama is unelectable because he has a 47% unfavorable rating, but gingrich blows obama out of the water. so why would conservatives put all their eggs in a newt gingrich basket at this point in time when he could be toxic to the conservative cause and really hand the election to barack obama? so that's why i'm hoping that conservatives will coalesce around the electable conservative, the full-spectrum conservative, rick santorum. >> ron, what do you make of the reports coming out of that event that the vote wa...

Will the day come when he is able to say, we should unite around rick santorum? >> i think it's possible. the reason -- the only reason i think it's possible is because i think he is still furious at mitt romney for the ads by that super pac against him in iowa. and so if santorum manages to pass him in south carolina, i think that's a real possibility, as hard as it is to believe. >> e.j. dionne of "the washington post" and santorum supporter ron kerry, thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> good to be with you. >> thank. coming up, inside the obama white house with the author ...