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Really shouldn't. his relentless assault on the president seems to be what they want, ron, on the other side. they seem to want a pugilism, punch, punch, punch, punch, punch, because they feel romney won't do it, huntsman won't and the other candidates don't matter. i guess michele bachmann does, michele bachmann the congresswoman. this guy seems to have the clout to do it. >> michael identified the loathing that perry of audience has for president obama. yes, they do want people to be tearing into him all the time. unfortunately, the way perry does that sort of thing, like his comment about b...

And they feel angry, and they're focused that feeling on president obama. who cares about the facts. who cares if the guy who preceded him lost all the jobs. facts don't matter in the republican party anymore. >> look at rick perry, another favorite topic. health care. let's watch and assess it. >> we know what it's going to do to the quality of health care. we know what it's going to do to the cost of health care. if i'm so fortunate to be elected to president of the united states on day one, when i walk into the oval office, there will be an executive order on that desk that eliminates as mu...

That's open to debate. we're going to get into that tonight. would hillary have done it better? and the day wouldn't be complete without an interesting oddity out of the head of michele bachmann, would it? come on. now she's suggesting we all fear a rise of the soviet union. she's worried about the soviet union. even though it died 20 years ago. anyway, let me finish tonight with the president. president obama. this is my idea. big, do something big. we start with some gop doubts about rick perry. michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee. and he'll always be our republ...

Not only the party of fact, the party of guilty. how do you feel? >> exactly right. >> do you feel guilty, you can ignore the numbers. michael brilliantly admitted, facts don't matter. >> i didn't say that. >> you said they don't matter -- >> what i'm saying is, he's speaking to his base. i'm not ignoring the fact. you can talk about the facts of the context of what people are feeling right now. >> great. for his -- a new factor now. ignore the facts. let's go on. >> all right. >> your thoughts, ron. it's interesting, lookality the numbers. we have a terrible economy. i know that everybody wat...

The hemorrhage, begin creating jobs and he's blamed for what bush did? >> absolutely. >> is that fair? >> because it's politics. it's on his watch. >> and you call it -- it's b.s. >> call it b.s., republican would call it something different and democrats call it different if the shoe on the other point. bottom line, rick perry is talking to his audience. not talking to you. >> ha! michael, you've learned -- learn how to do this. i show the statistics -- >> i'm going to disagree with your sticks. facts are facts. he's not talking to the facts, how people feel. unemployment, 9.2% is not reflect...