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Testimony can't really be overstated. as we know from the work of the january 6th committee, there were numerous lines of potential criminal conspiracies the committee looked into. two of them involved putting pressure on mike pence, one to pressure pence to refuse to certify the election at all, and the second line of attack was to pressure pence to delay the certification needed of the election. we know that there were meetings about those topics between pence and trump on january 4th, on january 5th, and of course the infamous outraged phone calls from trump to pence on the morning of janua...

>> i think it does indicate that they're clearly towards the end of their investigation. how much is left. that's hard to say. pence is certainly, as you say, the top of the food chain, although i want to be clear. i would really doubt that pence is being looked at as a target of this investigation. i think he's pretty fully in the witness category. the one other person that i would say, john, who is really the remaining outlier here that we're wondering or when he will is mark meadows. and meadows, we could sit around and argue all night as to who could be the more significant witness, pence ...

Pence is certainly, as you say, at the top of the food chain, although i want to be clear, i would really doubt that pence is being looked at as a target of this -- he is pretty fully in the witness category. the one of the person that i would say, john, who is really the remaining outlier that were we are wondering when he will testify is mark meadows. meadows, we can sit around and argue all night who could be the more significant witness, pence or meadows. there is good arguments on both sides. the bottom line is, i am sure jack smith wants to get meadows in front of that grand jury. he won...

For five hours so it gave you an indication that the painstaking detail the prosecutors likely wanted to get into with pence perhaps about a couple things they heard from other witnesses, but also events that we're playing out between pence and the former president that perhaps only he could speak to, only he could provide in firsthand detail. >> so does this appearance by the former vice president suggest anything about the special counsel's timetable, at this point? >> it doesn't mean that pence is the last witness they are going to want to talk to in this investigation. biden more anyways, ...

Conspiracies that the committee looked into. but two of them involved putting pressure on mike pence. one to pressure pence to refuse to certify the election at all, and the second line of attack was the pressured pence to delay the certification needed the election. we know that there were meetings about those topics between pence and trump on january 4th, on january 5th and then, the if a miss infamous outrage phone call from trump to pence on the morning of january 6th. mike pence has likely provided intricate, direct first person testimony about the substance of this though conversations. ...