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Hour. ron uns is saying i will see your 10 and raise it to 12. his argument is for the last four decades, there is tons of policies proposed and cool loans now. huge amounts of student debt and the programs that are trying to lift people at the bottom and the working poor fall further mind. instead of the government programs, if we think that people's wages should be higher, why don't we raise the wages? i think the point you make about it ends up being corporate welfare is interesting, i am in favor of things like the earned next tack credit. you don't want to raise the min mihm so high, it p...

>> we were just having that discussion. >> who was for slavery? >> i think you know. you put an entering frame on things by saying that a good conservative argument work should be rewarded and a libertarian activist who was advocating for an increase and i wonder if another argument would appeal to a lot of folks. the minimum wage, keeping it low is another form of corporate welfare and the burden is placed on taxpayers and what people survive on. this is a form of corporate welfare and i wonder if you can get into the perspective and why he supports this move as well. >> i think what's intere...