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Travel records show. allegedly, a lot of those were for business but how many extra days were added on? add to that his wife is accused of impersonating a federal employee so she could join him at private sector conferences. >> martha johnson at least to her credit resigned right away. she was the chief earlier this month and did not take the fifth. but it looks like this guy took the fifth over and over again. he's got to be embarrassed and humiliated. let's listen. >> in one e-mail, mr. neely invited personal friends to the conference writing and i quote, and this is simply incredible. "we'l...

Democrat or republican, whether it's 2008 or 2012 it is wrong to have such abuses and there should be investigations into every federal agency under every president's watch to make sure this doesn't occur. megyn: is it going to work, lars? we've heard a lot of folks, including the white house point to what happened under the bush administration. we have yet to see the numbers proved out on that. we don't know, the numbers jumped considerably in spending in the gsa under president bush. we don't know if this was one regional conference as it was here or all of gsa. a former administrator said i...

It undoubtedly happen in bush years and other years, it's intrinsic. however, obama and the democrats are the party of government. believe to expand it, have expanded it and want it to continue to expand. the republicans are the party of smaller government. as a result, when government does crazy things that are offensive to the people who support it, it will hurt the party of government. it will hurt obama. >> bret: mara, you have a democratic congressman elijah cummings reading an e-mail from this guy, jeff neely. and it says well, you guys get a room near us, we'll pick up the room tab. it ...

Outrageous spending at the general services administration, or gsa. the executive believed at the center of the more than $820,000 las vegas conference in october of 2010 replied to chairman darrell issa five questions the same way. >> mr. chairman, on the advice of counsel, i decline to answer based on my fifth amendment constitutional privilege. >> jeff neely is on leave from his job in charge of gsa. issa asked if he stayed for the remainder of the hearing, he quickly left capitol hill. the western conference had clown and mind reader and much of it was captured on camera. neely's wife phot...

We will pick up the room tab, could be a blast, it is not your money. it's the taxpayers' money." >>stuart: so, is this any time to be hiking taxes? and my guest is no fan of the buffe tt rule, not a time to raise taxes especially when we are spending tax money like this? >>guest: no, it is not at all. and, in fact, this is, really, just a subterfuge to try and raise capital gains taxes. there was a great article in the "wall street journal", when capital gains rates go up, revenue goes down. they go down, the tax revenue goes up, so, the whole thing really is a subterfuge to avoid talking big...