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Trying to go. a lot of people panned him but he was trying to build this case. listen, it's completely legitimate for an american president to look into these issues, even though it happened to be about -- >> but i want to add to ross' point about doing a favor is that in the president's july 25th phone call with president zelensky, he actually said, can you do me a favor? >> yeah. >> that is what he said. >> no, and -- but the question is, the question will be why? was the point to address corruption? was the point to address, at least in his mind, potentially ukrainian influence in 2016? tha...

And this is trump being trump. he's inexperienced. he's brash. she's going to stand up to the bureaucracy. that's not what you impeach over. we have a process where nobody is going to defend what he did. they're going to focus more on how did you know it, and the ultimate case is it really worth impeachment? that's where different from the work you've done when impeaching a judge, this is where the movement, if it happens, of public opinion, it does matter. >> i think you actually may see, and i think you will see people defending the actual conduct. i don't think it's going to be defined the ...

That president trump cares more about the investigations of biden, which giuliani was pressing for. >> so what questions will you have for david holmes, the counselor of foreign affairs, when he appears before the committees tomorrow and offers this closed door deposition, sworn deposition? >> well, first off, you know if you go into the substance of what this is all about, whether or not the president should be concerned about corruption in the 2016 election process, worried about corruption as we give millions of taxpayer dollars to a foreign country, the third most -- as ernst & young has s...

And courage of the iranian people. we can make encouraging noises, help them get internet access. but i have a lot of faith in iran. >> of course, i generally agree with you. it's just a matter of time, i think. let me ask you about israel real quick. you know, obviously, they're concerned. they're worried because they had a stable partner. now maybe the border gets held up. >> anwar sadat made peace with israel because it was in egypt's interest to end its wars with israel and focus on building its economy. if anything, egypt's interests are more in that direction now than in the late '70s an...