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>> you faced a lot of loss. >> a lot of people have. people faced more than i have. and they get up every day without the kind of help i have with my family and get up and put one foot in front. real heros. they go every day and do it. and so, that's what america is made of. that's the soul. and i think that most of the people who come up to me on rope lines and they even the press now is getting it straight. why are these people hugging biden. because they are grabbing me and saying am i going to be all right i just lost my son or daughter. or a little boy will stand there and say i stutter. ...

Empathy. and the current president does not have that. why do you think that is? why do you have it, and why doesn't he? >> look, i don't think he's capable of empathy. i really don't. i've not seen a single thing of any indication he has any understanding of what other people are going through. and in a sense i wish i didn't have so much empathy. >> you faced a lot of loss. >> well, a lot of people have. a lot of people have faced more than i have, and they get every day without the kind of help i had with my family and put their foot one foot in front -- they're real heroes and go out every ...

That ever indicates to me he has any understanding of what people are going through. in a sense i wish i didn't have so much empathy. >> you've faced a lot of loss. >> well, a lot of people have. a lot of people faced more than i have, and they get up every day without the kind of lephelp have with my family. real heroes. go out every single day and they do it. and so that's what america is made of. that's the soul of america. and i just think that most of the people, don, who come up to me at rope lines and they, you know, even the press now is getting it straight. why are these people huggin...

The president walking back and forth like a caged lion past the rope line? he american people want to think that people are perfect, are great, are grandiose, and that's the vocabulary you hear in this moment. the test for the president and for the american people is how to contextualize that. we see the president on those rope lines doing a remarkable job pushing the president of the united states when he's lying. at the end of the day it's up to us, the american people, on how to judge the president in those moments. >> we'll have a year or two more of this, as we continue. thank you all, go...

Goes to work rope lines, he still talks to people, he still goes to take pictures with people. there's still a world in which joe biden has to interact with citizens which is part of the way he get politicians in a democratic society -- >> right. >> -- that donald trump never went through. >> no, he never did. early on in the campaign before donald trump had secret service, before it was such a big thing, people still thought it would never work and he still thought that, they were a little more nimble, would travel in one car. a former white house aide told me once donald trump liked to stop ...