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The greatest evidence is they had a travel ban. you could not leave wuhan and go anywhere else in china. you could not travel to wuhan from the rest of the china but you could leave wuhan and travel to the world. is there any doubt in your mind that china knew and hid it? what should we do? >> well, we don't know. let me say a word about dr. fauci. i know dr. fauci, and i respect dr. fauci, i am disappointed in dr. fauci. on too many issues he flip-flopped like a banked cat fish. >> sean: [laughing]. >> on too many other issues, i am a simple guy. i like breakfast food and straight answers and...

It's like that scene in monty python's "holy grail" where the old man says "not dead yet" and somebody finally clubs him and kills him. jeb bush is -- he's heading in that territory. there is one group of people who think jeb bush still has a lot of life in him and that's the few people in the jeb bush campaign who are pretty well paid to push that message. but otherwise you're still finding generally across the board this really rare uniform opinion whether it's left, right, or center that he did himself no favors. and there's an added bit of drama here that's just really difficult for the ne...

Candidate like this? is the perception he's dying as good as him being dead? >> well, he's certainly getting there. it's like that scene in monty python's "holy grail" where the old man says "not dead yet" and somebody finally clubs him and kills him. jeb bush is -- he's heading in that territory. there is one group of people who think jeb bush still has a lot of life in him and that's the few people in the jeb bush campaign who are pretty well paid to push that message. but otherwise you're still finding generally across the board this really rare uniform opinion whether it's left, right, or ...

Think jeb bush still has a lot of life in him and that's the few people in the jeb bush campaign who are pretty well paid to push that message. but otherwise you're still finding generally across the board this really rare uniform opinion whether it's left, right, or center that he did himself no favors. and there's an added bit of drama here that's just really difficult for the news media to pass up, which is the fact that he basically handed the sword to kill himself to his former protege marco rubio by deciding to engage him on an issue that seemed to have relatively little legs or few legs...