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Tactical rope-a-doping that allows the -- that buys time for mueller and that protects that investigation, i think we're just going to have to wait and see to find out. but i think i am at once very uncomfortable with the accommodations that they're making and very sympathetic to the situation that they find themselves in. >> and with that understanding is there something you that feel like absolutely cannot be traded away, that there is something that feels to you like a rubicon, once you've gone there there's no coming back, there's nothing that's worth trading away for that? is there one th...

Day, the more important component is what you call the appeasement or the more important component is the tactical rope-a-doping that allows the -- that buys time for mueller and that protects that investigation, i think we're just going to have to wait and see to find out. but i think, you know, i am at once very uncomfortable with the accommodations that they're making and very sympathetic to the situation that they find themselves in. >> and with that understanding, is there something that you feel like absolutely cannot be traded away, that there is something that feels to you like a rubi ...

As a matter of fact, they have been rope-a-doping and basically i think involved in a cover-up. i don't use those words often. what happened is we asked ivanka trump and her husband to preserve e-mails after we found out through the press that there were e-mails that were being sent from private e-mail servers and that is with business information on them. we asked them to preserve them, wolf. you know what, they did, within 24 to 48 hours, they transferred or we call it relocated all e-mails to the trump business organizations run by the two brothers. >> well, let me just be precise, congress...

>> there's mixed reporting on that, but i do agree with the speaker. it is good when he steps forward, and he says i screwed up, and he owns it. i thought there were other opportunities he had. there were questions where you could see, almost he was saying, well, i'm going to keep rope-a-doping as opposed -- >> hold on. we're going to continue this. the president, once again, paraphrasing, since yp in charge, we screwed it up. referring to the rollout of obamacare. people make mistakes. american people are very forgiving. we'll see how forgiving they are. let's take a quick break, resume our a...

The needs are different. bill daly and david plouffe are disciplined as how the president should present himself as he gets into re-election. i don't think that includes biting off huge entitlement overhaul right now or before you get to a second term. now, this may be kind of rope-a-doping in the end. he ultimately does something. right now this is headed towards casting republicans. republicans have completely driven this debate over spending. they are in charge here. the pros has done little to frame this debate over spending for this year, again, setting aside the budget fight for next yea...