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>> it is tough to say because for lack of a better term, is somewhat of a rorschach test. if you are committed to the impeachment narrative, you're probably going to use that to support the narrative. if you are not, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that this is hearsay and even triple hearsay in some cases. despite what some of the members on the committee might think, hearsay is not good enough to convict somebody. i think he is got to have more sound, fundamental evidence that is firsthand account. so far we have not heard anything firsthand. >> neil: if you could let me know when that...

The mixture of classified and nonclassified and it's actually a way to sort of keep it fair that everybody has to do it verbally. so i think there will be no dearth of conspiracy theories on both sides and that this is a little bit of a weird thing in my experience but, my best guess is it's a way to protect the classified information. >> shannon: so as we await data, and again we've been told for a long time that it's coming, but we are told that probably before thanksgiving. we still have the impeachment hearing keeping us very busy, and the next public hearing is tomorrow as well. this is a...

Didn't think it mattered. >> look, you don't even know this guy. meaning the president. you've never even been with him. you didn't speak to him, et cetera, et cetera. i'll tell you who i'm thinking of as i'm watching this. this may sound like an oddity. i keep thinking of chief justice john roberts. in the end i'm wondering are we going to hear from mulvaney? are we going to hear from bolton? from giuliani? i don't think during the house process we will hear from any of them. but if and when we get to a senate trial, i have to imagine that there's going to be some effort to command their test...

Nearly three years ago as an outsider and i was thinking about this -- i think today, ironically, he's still kind of an outsider. what do i mean? the bipartisan establishment, they never accepted him as legitimate. this despite his stellar economic record, record number of judges confirmed, and the leadership he has shown against the china threat. r he's still a disrupter, he's still the ultimate rorschach test for the old guard. the better america does under trump, the more negatively they think that reflects on the so-called experts who for decades itt squandered american prosperity for glob...

Outsider and i was thinking about this -- i think today, ironically, he's still kind of an outsider. what do i mean? the bipartisan establishment, they never accepted him as legitimate. this despite his stellar economic record, record number of judges confirmed, and the leadership he has shown against the china threat. he's still a disrupter, he's still the ultimate rorschach test for the old guard. the better america does under trump, the more negatively they think that reflects on the so-called experts who for decades it squandered american prosperity for global insanity. if they can impeach...