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And of course there are -- depending on your point of view here, obviously there are other things that have happened that could be construed as obstruction. i'm saying that as a layman. and i suppose if rosenstein were fired, you know, that could be the case. now, if rosenstein ostensibly, in air quotes, voluntarily resigns, then maybe that's -- you know, that casts a different light on this issue. >> i think that might be tough because then he gets to determine what he can and cannot say. if they fire him, maybe they can set the terms. maybe if he just quits, he'll say, look, i can say what i...

Obstruction. i'm saying that as a layman. and i suppose if rosenstein were fired, you know, that could be the case. now, if rosenstein ostensibly, in air quotes, voluntarily resigns, then maybe that's -- you know, that casts a different light on this issue. >> i think that might be tough because then he gets to determine what he can and cannot say. if they fire him, maybe they can set the terms. maybe if he just quits, he'll say, look, i can say what i want. i'm a free agent. who knows? who knows? who knows? thank you. >> exactly. >> go on. >> well, no. you're right. i'm just agreeing with you...